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13-10-2006 by damien	Hi all, I work in a shop called surrey pet supplies in Hersham, Surrey, www.surreypetsupplies.co.uk At the back of the shop is an education centre full of different animals,Parrots, Lizards, Snakes and so on, Thing is, we currently have a few vivs that are vacant and we are not sure what we should put in them. I would love it if you could all suggest some interesting exotics that arent seen very often, be warned though, we do have a lot of animals so theres a chance ur suggestion may be something we already have, thanks.
15-10-2006 by KAY GARDNER	It all depends on what set up you have..ie.the size of the viv the temperature,what have you already got?also it wouldn't be a good idea to introduce exotics that are not usually sold as pets because we don't need more encouragment of exotic species to be sold that cannot be looked after properly(creat a trend)
15-10-2006 by jessica	how about frilled dragons?.. axolotls? or green basilisks are excellent show animals
16-10-2006 by damien	got frilled dragons already, no space for a basilisl or axo's by the way kay, when we get animals in, none of them are put up for sale, its an education centre for children and beginners in exotics
16-10-2006 by damien	got frilled dragons already, no space for a basilisk or axo's by the way kay, when we get animals in, none of them are put up for sale, its an education centre for children and beginners in exotics
17-10-2006 by KAY GARDNER	I understand the need to educate people.It is not the fact they are NOT being put up for sale. The concern was only that,pets not sold as normal becoming wanted,because they look 'cool'. For example:This happened with the Iguana.The amount of times i have seen this species in an awful condition,burn't,growth stunted,deformed etc, because people think they are cool to keep-but cannot give them the proper care that they need. Good luck to your centre,i just hope you keep this in mind
17-10-2006 by jessica	yeah i think we all understand you kay but (just out of friendly conversation here) i think the pet *industry (or w.e u want to call it, pet trade .. etc... is quite a good thing. i mean for intance look at the axolotl, one of the best captives , and quite common in captivity, yet is only found in ONE lake in mexico, and is very rare in the wild also, i think its a very good hobby, and for children (beardies.. leopard geckos or even tortoises etc) it can be very healthy for them to own a pet and learn responsibilities. i dont agree with all this wc though, animals have known different (and perhaps better?) as theyve not been bred in captivity. i dont think you should be an enthuiast to own reptiles, but i think out of consideration for animals you should definatly take an interest into their world. i understand what your saying about iguanas.. perhaps one of the biggest mistakes in the pet ttrade. i have one myself (i bought her as a rescue adult) and i know how powerful and aggressive they can be, and nobody was ever told this when buying the 30 cm 'cute' hatchling. i was in my LPS at the weekend (buying a goliath bird eater) and i come across a couple (in theyre early 20's mabe) and they were looking at the adult beardies.. then came to a tank of babys. the lad said, thats what you want init, do they stay that size? the girl repyles i dont know. i looked at them and said.. i hope your not going to buy one of them .. when they replyed why i said: because your not sure if they grow bigger than this.. have you not just seen those adult beardies over there - they said- are they the same thing? - i was fuming, they probbaly blagged their way into taking the beadie home to a 2 foot tank with nothing but a heat mat or heat rock, a bowl of water and crickets. its quite easy for them to say yes to every question pet shop owners ask..
17-10-2006 by jessica	ooh and whatt aout a western hog nosed snake damien? small.. almost harmless.. yet interesting looks and behavior (flatterning of the neck like a cobra and playing dead) and perhaps an interesting thing for people to know is the big despute over whether they actually harbor venom or not lol. if not, mabe some red eyed or whites tree frogs, mantellas.. or poison darts? lemme know
17-10-2006 by jessica	* sorry alful typing * *what about a western hog nosed snake
17-10-2006 by jessica	oh and just to pester even more.. ive been thinkn of getting a frilled dragon for a couple of months now , ive read what there is to read on them (which is hardly anything)would you be kind enough to tell me abit about housing, (size and requirements.. desert.. raingforest etc lol) feeding, how to provide them their water, can two be housed together.. and do they tame up well or are they more for show? thanks alot
17-10-2006 by KAY GARDNER	I do agree with you Jessica in that there are rare species in the wild that need conservation to help re introduction,and that one way of getting this over is through educating people and letting people keep these as pets,you have shown a good situation above with the axolotl, and alot of people will hopefully look towards the conservation, and at the same time enjoy their hobby and their reptiles will live a happy and healthy life. I have the deepest respect for people like yourself who go out of there way to rescue a reptile like an iguana,which has already been introduced into captivity for a long time, instead of buying from a pet shop. I just don't like the idea of introducing rare reptiles that have been recently made captive for our own means(not conservation), into the pet trade for our own purpose. I my self have worked in the pet trade as a consultant to reptiles, and i have a good insight into sales, and after sales. I also keep amphibians which i have rescued. wink:
17-10-2006 by jessica	haha thankyou ive always known that i wanted an iguana since i was about ten, i thought they were beautiful but i would NEVER go out and buy a baby one from a pet shop. unfortantly i dont have much respect for pet shops that sell iguanas (babies) on a regular basis. of course if they order ones in for individuals who have shown understanding for the species then i dont see why not they may order one in lol but they really are a challenge i think to keep and you never know what mood they will be in, and they require a lot of time, id say if tame, they would like the sme amount of attention as a dog or cat. not only this. but hardly any one even enthuiasts have the neccasary space for an iggy, a LARGE room would be ideal for them not a glass 'tank'. i have sympathy for iguanas some times, they havnt got the best of lives in captivity, yet they are the most widley kept. i do agree with you on the rare reptiles, i think if the demand for such is that bad, efforts should be made for conservation first, and mabe then they should be available to some of the public (perhaps this spells a new license to keep more rare species...) to people who either have loads of experience or intend to breed them to help the species .. what do you think?
17-10-2006 by damien	have a pair of hognose already and loads of frogs too. if ur local, feel free to pay us a visit for a chat. we have 2 frilled dragons together, they are both fed by hand so we know theyre getting enough food as one was getting a bit thin because the other was eating all the food, they are in a large 7 foot high viv. we spray the viv daily, and are reasonably hand tame.
17-10-2006 by jessica	im in merseyside.. but i think it would be really worthwhile coming in, so if im ever nearby i will if thats ok, do you know any good care sheets online for frillys? i probably shouldnt encourage this lol but how about a bosc monitor ?
17-10-2006 by damien	got 1 of them too called Eric, took a chunk out of my thumb last week while i was moving him so i could clean out his viv care info on frillies....... http://sundialreptile.com/care%20sheet-frilled.htm
17-10-2006 by damien	ill tell you what animals we have so u dont waste ur time suggeting them......... parrots - 13 of them hognose snakes corn snakes frilled dragons hogisland boa gopher snake bosc monitor green iguana royal pythons yemen chameleon rough neck monitor argentine tegu yellow tree monitor bearded dragons king snakes-2 types blue tongue skink uromastix water dragons, aisan and australian black iguana chinchillas chipmunks gerbils hamsters rabbits g/pigs 3 types of tree frogs scorpions giant millipedes bull frogs map turtle tortoises leopard geckos crested gecko pygmy geckos rough green snakes red tegu & lots of tarantulas, think thats all of them
17-10-2006 by damien	oh, and Samson our green iguana too
17-10-2006 by damien	lol, and false tomato frogs, thats def' all of them
18-10-2006 by KAY GARDNER	Licencing would be great Jessicia. At lease there would be some idea of the population of species in this country.It would also stop so many being neglected,as names would be recoginised for those people who are not responsible enough to keep reptiles. Its easy us saying it would be a good idea though.The government has more interest than conservation. Like who is going to be the next idIot to run the country(DON'T GO THERE )
18-10-2006 by jessica	lol, though i do wish there was something that could be done- of course - id want the first license lol
18-10-2006 by jessica	btw- loving the name samson 4 your iggy, that is timeless haha
23-10-2006 by jessica	african pygmy hedgehogs?
24-10-2006 by damien	dont have the space for them
24-10-2006 by jessica	wat space do you have then?
24-10-2006 by damien	we have apace for reptiles only, we hav a 6foot high by 4ft wide viv and a small viv about 2ft high by 3ft long