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20-01-2007 by tony	hi im just wondering i have a male and female lepard geko the female is 3 and the male is 2 i want to add another female as he is trying to mate her all the time but will she accept another female or not cheers tony
20-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	FEMALE GECKOS CAN LIVE TOGETHER BUT MALES CANNOT.A MALE WILL CONSTANTLY PESTER A FEMALE TO DEATH IF HE IS LIVING WITH HER AND WILL NOT STOP. ADDING ANOTHER FEMALE WILL NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM YOU WILL HAVE TO REMOVE THE MALE TO ITS OWN VIVARIUM AND INTRODUCE HIM WHEN YOU ARE READY TO MATE THE PAIR.LEAVING HIM IN WILL STRESS HER AND IF YOU INTRODUCE ANOTHER FEMALE HE WILL DO EXACTLY THE SAME TO HER.
23-01-2007 by jessica	ot neccasarily Kay. sometimes it helps alot and the male will see sense, more times than not, your right he wont. He will continue to pester the pair. However if youe wanting to breed them you would need another female anyways. Its worth a try, if he carries on pestering her THEN seperate him.
24-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	you are right about introducing another female for breeding. but why put another female through a high probability of unnecessary stress though when as you put it, most of the time the male will not give in to pestering the female(s).
25-01-2007 by jessica	It wont be stressed at all Kay, in the wild these animals dont have a choice, the fact there would be two of them is better than in the wild. As for putting another female through stress, its better to have them both a little bit stressed than one highly stressed because he isnt getting another female to focus on too. However, Many people keep a group of 1 male and 2 or more females together with no problems, as long as you have a viv setup on the side incase he is pestering them too much, then theres no problem seeing how it goes for a day or two, as long as a close eye is kept. The thing is this female with the male now will be a lot less stressed if there was 1 or more females, and when the male see's theres more females, he wont be so panicked into breeding with whatevers there. Tony, put some hides in there too for her/them- so they can retreat. Theres no need for all this fuss when he only asked if the female would accept other females. He is trying to right some way or another. If he cant seperate the male for whatever reason, his best bet is to add a female.
25-01-2007 by jessica	He is trying to right some way or another - is meant to be : *He is trying to do right one way or another*
25-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	with respect in the wild they do have a choice.they can run away from the male.they are not shut in a vivarium,thats where they don't have a choice. no pet should be put under unnecessary stress.this is where anyone thinking of buying any animal should look into the facts carefully before putting themselves in a situation like this,and finding out they cannot do the right thing.(no blame to you tony,you are doing right by asking for advice)
25-01-2007 by jessica	ok fair point about the vivarium, your right. However they can still run away in a viv Kay, and with hiding spots, its as close to as theyre gonna get. And yeah your right about the research before buying a pair, but the fact is, he is stuck with this situation now... and hes trying to fix it the way he can. But he is asking advice, many people keep a male and THREE females without too much trouble, it can be done. If he wants to try it, why not, it wont stress the female any more than she already is. Kay at which point did i say he should put his pet under unnecassary stress? I think you should give him a break, its ovbious hes new to this, and yeah if he knew abit more about it then it wouldnt have happened this way, but it has hasnt it. Were trying to fix the problem he CURRENTLY has, so all us arguing about him researching, or how it SHOULD have happened aint gonna help. The answer to your question Tony, yes you can keep females with other females. If you cant seperate the male- this would be your best bet. I stand by what i said. If you plan on breeding, its worth getting a few females anyway.
25-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	Did you read the bit(no blame to you tony you are right to ask for advice) so i am giving him a break. also i am not arguing just putting my point forward. i have strong feelings about the situation and i want to make a point. also you said `it is better to give them a little bit stressed than a lot of stress--'no animal should be put in `any' stressful situation `if possible.' I also don't think he should over populate himself with females until he has some more vivariums set up in advance for emergencies and breeding,and he has sorted out this situation and educated himself a bit more.he obviously needs the advice first before ending up getting himself into more problems. He should also try to get in contact with a breeder who knows what he is talking about.face to face advice with a reputable breeder is far better than aforum
25-01-2007 by tony	hi my male has been separated from her now as i cant find another female yet my male has gone away for a week or 2 cos he stopped eating some one that knows wot there doing with him but he will be back when he eats and the guy showed me the eggs in the female belly he said about a week and they will be layed but when my boy comes home he will have his own tank as the female has got the runs from stress and woudnt come out of her hide with the male in
25-01-2007 by jessica	Oh its good that you've managed to seperate him then Tony. Well Done Kay i simply said it is better to have them stressed a little bit than ALOT-if they have to be stressed at all. Come on- your not thick- you know this.. do you honestly think he would purposally stress his pet? NO! I think you need to stop acting like were all trying to stress his pet out and that your the only one concerned about its welfare. So you know.. i said if they HAVE to be stressed in such a way (he couldnt seperate them etc) then its best to have them a little stressed then hugely. Though i agree with you that maybe i was wrong on the females bit, maybe he should concentrate on seperating the male for now. I still stick by what i said though Kay.. better to have them a little stress the hugely stressed.. and thats NOT because i want them stressed in the first place. As for the forum thing.. what are we here for Kay?
25-01-2007 by jessica	--'no animal should be put in `any' stressful situation `if possible.' Kay he's not doing that bad compared to what everyones pets (INCLUDING yours) probably went through to get nto your home. You keep anphibians right? I bet one of them was put through a hell of a lot of stress to get in your home - so you know.. just my two cents though. Many even reptuable pet shops will say there bred in captivity- and indeed they are.. in another country but still have the stress of being imported.
26-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	No1:we are here to give basic advice on care,but any medical conditions should be advised by a qualified vet and any problems with breeding should be sought from a reputable breeder. We are also on this forum to express our feelings. No2:my statement was not aimed at Tony so you can stop using him as a weapon. No3:My amphibians were bought from breeders,not from petshops.they were only taken home when their set ups were established and they were put under very minimum stress. Also there is no need for you to get personal.If you do i will bite back ...Kay i simply said it is better to have them stressed a little bit than ALOT-if they have to be stressed at all...YOU DID NOT PUT YOUR SENTENCE LIKE THIS BEFORE..
26-01-2007 by jessica	NO 1 -KAY i made my point quite clear.. like i said your not thick.. you knew that i did NOT say PUT YOU ANIMAL UNDER UNECCASARY STRESS. I DID MAKE MY POINT EXACTLY HOW I ARGUED IT I SAID IT IS BETTER TO HAVE THEM A LITTLE STRESSED THAN ALOT... OVBIOUSLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY HAVE TO BE STRESSED - why would we want them stressed anyway.. so your making an argument out of that one that you dont need 2. NO2- How the hell am i using tony as a weapon.. ive got better things to do than get to you love. Im trying to help him. NO 3- ANY IDIOT KNOWS not to go to a forum for medical conditions.. you go to a vet for that.. and that we are here to advise on feeding, housing, opinions etc etc NO4 - Im not getting personal, its just you seem to be walking around with your head in your ass- looking down your nose at everybody elses choices, decisions and mistakes like YOU are continously right. Dont you tell me you have NEVER made a mistake. So you can stop acting all snooty to us 'down here'. NO 5- ' they were put under very minimum stress. ' Thats still stress for an animal Kay.. doesnt matter who's causing who more stressits still stress. The thing is Kay.. you may well enjoy thinking you 'above' us here just because you have worked in a pet shop or whatever, but thats not to say none of us know what we are doing or dont have good advise. Who are you to make me feel i cant give advice here? You have loads of good advice Kay, you obviously know what you doing and care for animals ok? But people will enjoy taking it more no when your giving it like you've got a problem with all us 'amateurs' For example.. just the way you write in capitals or the way everything is so proffessional.. this is an informal conversation. I do seriously admire how well educated you are about reps but i dont appreciate your snooty attitude.. if you toned it down abit.. i personally wouldnt feel the need to argue my case with you. Btw- bite away.. * *
26-01-2007 by jessica	typing error- its sopposed to be- * BUT PEOPLE WILL ENJOY TAKING IT MORE WHEN YOUR NOT GIVING IT LIKE YOUVE GOT A PROBLEM WITH ALL US AMATUERS*
26-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	i didn't say you were an amatuer,i didn't say you were thick either,and i am not getting personal.By being rude you are not helping matters,you are making the situation worse.My attitude is not snooty,probably will read that way to you if i am hitting a sore point. My advice is not from just working in a pet shop.my advice is from personal experiences and advice i have been given from other knowledgeable pet keepers and breeders.Also i am certified in reptile.bird and small animal husbandry and care,and that is not being big headed,or snooty,i am telling you my areas of knowledge. I am making a point which i am quite intitled to make. as you are. also if i walked with my head up my own arse,id probably end up walking in front of a bus or something.it would not be advisable for anyones safety.
26-01-2007 by jessica	yes and you've had all your praise for your experience Kay. You may not think you have a sort of attitude yeah, but that is how i percieve it, ever since you first starting posting... but i didnt think anything of it because i thought you had vaulable knowledge. I know you didnt SAY were amatuers.. but its very well made out Kay. Im not getting personal at all.. i was just stating the facts.. if your lucky to get every pet you've ever owned from a breeder rather than a pet shop then good on you! But not all of us can... its hard enough just getting average pets such as corn snakes etc in at our local pet shops. Tbh the way you just posted i think is a lot more down to earth and more relaxed, the way a forum should be.. its much easier to not feel underneath you that way.. whether you try to make anyone feel like that or not.
26-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	my colleague at work lisa has just read all this content,and i think what she said does make sense:when you read on a forum it can read very different to what you would say face to face to a person. May be thats why a personality can be totally misread Yes i did mean to say thankyou for your praise.im typing in the middle of work,which is a bit bit difficult while answering the phone and forwarding orders so i did miss replying to that lisa agreed with me that i donot face to face put anyone down,it might be just the way i type my feelings sometimes.
26-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	Also when you get two people with a good amount of knowledge,and different views like you and i,replies like personalities clash(thats a compliment by the way).
26-01-2007 by jessica	i agree. glad we sorted that out. sounds like were both very strong willed lol
31-01-2007 by nerys	where do you work then kay?
31-01-2007 by KAY GARDNER	not in the pet trade. I've had my fair share of working with animals and prefer to keep my interests at home. i still have animals who i dedicate my time to when i am not at work.i am a sales administrator in the engineering trade by the way in an office now,so i have plenty of time at home,which is 5 minutes from my work place.
01-02-2007 by jessica	I always wondered what it would be like to work with animals, I think i would get jealous and want to take everything home though
02-02-2007 by KAY GARDNER	Thats one thing i use to do.ive just had my last bunny put to sleep from there that i took home as a rescue as he had bad teeth.it was either take him or have him pts.alot of mine were rescues that no one else could have.as a rule if there was any that had a defect they could not be sold. i also took in customers fish and amphibians,reptiles and hamsters and took them home if they were unwanted. the only other thing is it could be a bit of a busmans holiday cleaning them all out as they were done daily.also i spent alot of time nursing and treating the odd sick animals out of hours off my own back.i found that i spent more time there than with my own animals which was unfair on them.thats the reason i left. office work is not my cup of tea really but it pays to keep them. i worked in a kennels and cattery temporary before that.that was v'hard work
02-02-2007 by jessica	I agree. I prefer to spend my time with my own babies I've been thinking lately about getting a boa or something, but I'd rather see if there was one to be rehomed rather than sold from a petshop. Do the R.S.P.C.A have boas that are tame but need rehoming do you think? If not I guess I'll just have to buy lol.
04-02-2007 by KAY GARDNER	PROTEUS REPTILE TRUST ARE THE BEST PLACE TO GET REHOME SNAKES FROM. WWW.PROTEUS.UK.NET THEY ADVERTISE FOR REHOMES ON THEIR SITE. YOU PROBABLY WILL ALSO HAVE SEEN THEM ON A FEW EPISODES OF PET RESCUE.THEY ARE BASED IN BIRMINGHAM,WARWICKSHIRE AND KNOW THEIR STUFF.I'VE HAD A FEW INCOUNTERS WITH PROTEUS:- WHEN I FOUND A BLACK WIDOW HYBRID IN SOME GARDEN CENTRE CERAMIC POTS,BREEDING FOR INSTANCE(QUITE AN EXCITING FIND,BUT DANGEROUS TOO)THEY GAVE BRILLIANT ADVICE ON REHOMING. ALSO WHEN I HAD A FEW AMPHIBIAN/LIZARD PROBLEMS WHEN I FIRST STARTED KEEPING THEM (A FEW YEARS AGO NOW). RSPCA IN YOU ARE WOULD BE A GOOD START.THEY MAY KNOW A RESCUER IN YOU AREA.